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Alt 08.05.2019, 10:37   #11
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Aber wichtige Infos, daraus habe ich auch gelernt und mir das mal alles kopiert von damals. Herzlichen Dank noch einmal.
Wenn Du nach inzwischen 9 Jahren danach noch weiteres hinzufuegen kannst, poste es hier. Ich werd mal versuchen, noch mehr zu finden an Infos und hier in diesem Thread als Infobasis posten ueber die naechste Zeit.
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Alt 04.09.2021, 16:54   #12
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Fahrzeug: E32 750iL 11/88
Standard zur Sammlung 4HP24 Info

Im 750er und im 850er werkelt ein 4HP24, brauchst das Getriebesteuergerät nicht zu tauschen.
Der 750er hat nur ein Getriebe das bis Anfang 1989 Verwendung hatte, was mit der Boschnummer 009 am Ende läuft. Das war aber noch das alte 8 Pin Getriebe.

Alle anderen 4HP24 kannst mit jeder X-beliebigen Steuergerätenummer Fahren. Alles Boschnummern,8 Pin mit der 009 am Ende und ZF-Nr.019.

Dann gab es eine ganze Reihe verschiedener Steuergeräte, 069, 086, 096, 097, oder 098, Boschnummer diese Steuergeräte waren mit dem 034 ZF Nummer verwendbar.
Dann gab es das 266 Boschnummer mit dem 054 ZF-Nummer am Ende.
Dieses Getriebe war im 750er FL verbaut. Wenn Motronik vom 750 und 850 gleich ist,hat das nur was mit den Schaltpunkten zu tun. Es sei denn der 850er hatte ein Getriebe aus der ersten Generation verbaut.
Also vor 1989, das halte ich aber für nicht warscheinlich.
gepostet von boxerheinz 03.09.2014

E32 750 4HP24
01/87 1043 030 012, 2400 - 121646
04 / 87 - 03 / 89 1043 030 019 , AT: 2400 - 1216722
07 / 87 - 05 / 90 1043 030 021, AT: 2400 - 1216699
03 / 89 - 01 / 94 1043 030 026, AT: 2400 - 1216908
11 / 88 - 12 / 91 1043 030 034 NT: 2400 - 1218171; AT: 2400 - 1218172
11 / 88 - 10 / 91 1043 030 03 AT: 2400 - 1218174
1043 030 039
11 / 89 - 07 / 92 1043 030 040 AT: 2400 - 1218669
01 / 92 - 03 / 94 1043 030 052 NT: 2400 - 1219740; AT: 2400 - 1219741
01 / 92 - 09 / 94 1043 030 053 AT: 2400 - 1219743
02 / 92 - 04 / 94 1043 030 058 AT: 2400 - 1421127

von hier ab Seite 253 Externer Link (&Ooml;ffnet in neuem Fenster, der Forumsbetreiber distanziert sich vom Inhalt extern verlinkter Seiten.) https://transmisevilla.com/wp-conten...ransmicion.pdf

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Alt 15.09.2021, 03:50   #13
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Standard noch was zur Sammlung, es mehren sich defekte Getriebesteuerungen

kopiert aus US Forum, , Location Czech Republic, 11/87 32 750i

me and my father have recently purchased a non-running E32 750i from 11/87, which we got to run. However, there are still some issues with the car, the biggest one being the gearbox. When you turn the ignition on, the transmission display shows S P, when you start the car the S disappears after approx. 1 second and the message Getriebe pops up (the car is originally from Germany). Judging from the driving characteristics, it is stuck in a high gear (3rd maybe?). I have already tried to do some research and found out that the SEM switch could be the problem. I tried to clean it but that did not help, as well as changing it for the sunroof switch. However, the blue plastic connector under the switch seemed a bit beat up but the wires and connections looked intact.
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yes, 3rd gear = safety mode or limp mode. First of all clean the transmission switch under the gear handle, here shown for the E34, same procedure
Externer Link (&Ooml;ffnet in neuem Fenster, der Forumsbetreiber distanziert sich vom Inhalt extern verlinkter Seiten.) http://twrite.org/shogunnew/otherMod...nsmission.html
Console Removal Shifter console removal & switch cleaning, e32 & e34 automatic Externer Link (&Ooml;ffnet in neuem Fenster, der Forumsbetreiber distanziert sich vom Inhalt extern verlinkter Seiten.) http://www.nmia.com/~dgnrg/page_2.htm
Console Removal: remove the shift knob set screw in the back of the knob with a 3 mm allen wrench & pull the knob straight up. Take a look at how the plunger is installed on the pin on the release lever & take note of it for later reassembly. Make a wire hook & slide it into the crack in the front of the console & lift it up Photo-1a & Photo-1b. The console tilts up Photo-2a as if it's hinged on the rear edge, note clips on Photo-2b. To remove the center black plastic insert, pry out the narrow P-R-N-D-3-2-1 plastic strip with a shop knife Photo-3a and remove the two philips screws, Photo-3b. I later discovered that this step isn't necessary for removing the wood panel.

Disappearing or Momentary Shift Indicator LED in gauge cluster: Unless the LED is burned out (unlikely) they can be restored by cleaning the shift selector contacts. Remove the switch (set the handbrake & position the shift lever vertical, I think that's in neutral) Photo-4. Pry the switch open & clean the traces. I used 1000 grit ultra fine sandpaper with a little WD-40 & then cleaned it well & sprayed contact cleaner/lube on it. Photo-5a & Photo-5b. Bentley states this switch could be the cause of transmission problems as well: Excerpt from Bentley's pg. 250-4:
"A faulty gear position/start disable switch may cause transmission shifting problems and erratic transmission operation"

I also know from experience that disabling the shift lock solenoid (92 & newer) will cause the dreaded "Trans Program" fault in the check control.

A/M switch: you might not need to open the switch, simply spray contact cleaner into it Photo-6a & Photo-6b & slide it back & forth rapidly a few dozen times. You may get by with doing this with the entire console intact & not have to disassemble anything at all. If you do need to open it to do a better cleaning job, pry the cover off with several small screwdrivers Photo-6c. Do this inside a plastic bag so small parts don't go flying across the garage. I haven't had to open mine so don't have any jpegs of the innards, "if it aint broke, don't fix it." If only removing the A/M switch, it can be pryed out without removing the console at all.

Plastic Shift Gate: sliding cover strip, ref. Photo-3c. Rather than buying the OEM rippled style from the dealer which will jamb or break again in a few months, I made one from a black poly leather grain notebook cover, it's been working fine for almost 2 years Photo-7a. Cut it about 1.375" wide by about 14" long. Cut the hole for the shift lever mid-way along the length, with the hole offset from the side, about 7/16" from the edge of the strip to the edge of the hole, ref. Photo-7b. Cut a narrow taper on the ends & pre-curl the ends around a screwdriver. Install the strip with the hole offset further from the driver's side (left). Insert & roll the entire strip into one end, ref. Photo-7c. Slide it out into the grove & roll the other end into the other holder, position the hole at about the middle of the slot. Lube it with a little Armor-All to slide freely.

try that and report back. Also you can remove the wire loom plug on the transmission housing and see if it is filled with ATF, that can cause contact problems, here from an E32 740 with 5HP30
Externer Link (&Ooml;ffnet in neuem Fenster, der Forumsbetreiber distanziert sich vom Inhalt extern verlinkter Seiten.) https://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/s...-leak-glue-fix
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Alright, I cleaned the shift selector contacts which were pretty nasty, but it still behaves the same. The SEM switch seems to work, because when the ignition is on but the engine is not running it shows S P, however when I try to select E the S changes to E as long as I hold the button down, when released it defaults back to S. When I start the car the S still disappears and the fault message comes on. P R N D 3 2 1 are showing up as they should, but that was the case even before I cleaned the shift selector contacts.
There were also two wires that were not connected to anything next to the selector. One was black with one round pin and the other one was also black with two round pins. I will check the plug on the transmission housing tomorrow, hopefully that will yield better results.
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So I finally got around to trying to fix the car again. Cleaned the plug on the transmission, nothing. Tried to change the transmission oil and filter, nothing. Now I am waiting for an inspection at the local independent BMW mechanic, so hopefully he will push me in the right direction. If anyone has any other idea what could cause this problem please tell me, I can't wait to finally get this car through inspection and drive it.
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measure the values of the solenoids and speed sensor in the transmission on the plug connector on the transmission Externer Link (&Ooml;ffnet in neuem Fenster, der Forumsbetreiber distanziert sich vom Inhalt extern verlinkter Seiten.) http://www.bmwe34.net/E34main/Troubl...ch%20Guide.pdf Just yesterday we repaired an Alpina B12 with 4HP24, he always had hard shock shifting and the trans program message was on. Measured the details on the trans plug with a multimeter. 1 was out of spec, changed the one and problem was solved, smooth shifting again, no more trans program. ZF 4HP22 4HP24 5HP24 5HP30 SPEED SENSOR FITS INPUT OR OUTPUT ZF OEM 0501 310 401
Externer Link (&Ooml;ffnet in neuem Fenster, der Forumsbetreiber distanziert sich vom Inhalt extern verlinkter Seiten.) https://i260.photobucket.com/albums/...Resistance.jpg Here an example with pics where the sensors are on a ZF 5HP24, Information on ZF 5HP24 output speed sensor Externer Link (&Ooml;ffnet in neuem Fenster, der Forumsbetreiber distanziert sich vom Inhalt extern verlinkter Seiten.) https://www.rangerovers.net/threads/...ber-drm.41355/
If you then measure the resistance directly across the two pins of the speed sensor you should get a reading of between 285 Ohm & 365 Ohm (at 20 deg. C)
Speed sensor ZF 5HP18 ZF 5HP19 ZF 5HP19FLA 91-up has 280Ohm accdg to an offer in the internet, 0501311086, 24341219316, 01V927321A 280Ohm
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I measured the values on the speed sensor, sadly didn't manage to measure the solenoids because of the tight space around the plug and lack of time. However, the output speed sensors value was around 350 Ohm on the plug
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I just tested a new speed sensor I recently bought which was sold as ZF 4HP22 4HP24 5HP24 5HP30 SPEED SENSOR, FITS INPUT OR OUTPUT ZF OEM 0501-310-401, 342 Ohm at 30 degree Celsius. The ATSG manual mentions 265 Ohms (72° F), but they show a different p/n, 0501 311 086. But that p/n is for 5HP actually and the part looks different Externer Link (&Ooml;ffnet in neuem Fenster, der Forumsbetreiber distanziert sich vom Inhalt extern verlinkter Seiten.) https://www.transmissionpartsdistrib...-0501-311-086/
Externer Link (&Ooml;ffnet in neuem Fenster, der Forumsbetreiber distanziert sich vom Inhalt extern verlinkter Seiten.) https://aftermarket.zf.com/remotemed...fc-5hp19fl.pdf
I assume the ATSG manual is not correct with that p/n (?)
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Ok, so the speed sensor is probably fine then? Just measured the solenoids and the sensor on the TCM plug.
Pins 1-16 53,5 Ohm
1-17 34,5
1-20 34
1-22 3,8
1-25 33,8
8-27 325
I figured which pins to measure from this thread: Externer Link (&Ooml;ffnet in neuem Fenster, der Forumsbetreiber distanziert sich vom Inhalt extern verlinkter Seiten.) https://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/s...8-SOLVED/page2
Could that mean that the solenoid on pins 1-16 is faulty?
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go to page 29 here and measure at the transmission plug Externer Link (&Ooml;ffnet in neuem Fenster, der Forumsbetreiber distanziert sich vom Inhalt extern verlinkter Seiten.) http://www.bmwe34.net/E34main/Troubl...ch%20Guide.pdf
MV1 pins 5 and 6 30 - 34 Ohms
MV2 pins 8 and 6 30 - 34 Ohms
MV3 pins 7 and 6 30 - 34 Ohms
MV4 pins 2 and 6 30 - 34 Ohms
MV5 pins 1 and 6 2.5 - 4.5 Ohms
output speed sensor pins 3 and 4 265 Ohms (at 72° F/ 22.2 degree Celsius). Newer version speed sensor might have higher ohm, I just tested one and it has 340 ohm at 30 degree C.

I would remove the valve body from the transmission and clean all the valves and then test again, maybe the valve body is dirty and valves are stuck. Info in general on valve body overhaul in above link and here Externer Link (&Ooml;ffnet in neuem Fenster, der Forumsbetreiber distanziert sich vom Inhalt extern verlinkter Seiten.) https://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/s...haul-in-detail
But for that you need to buy first some parts as listed in that link, often on 4HP22/24 the valve body plate gasket is baked on to the plates and can break when you disassemble the valve body, then you need new balls, as the old plastic balls shrink over the years and may even disappear.
Gasket for the valve plates you have to order from a ZF shop or maybe online, as you are from Europe, try Maktrans in Poland, they also overhaul valve bodies Externer Link (&Ooml;ffnet in neuem Fenster, der Forumsbetreiber distanziert sich vom Inhalt extern verlinkter Seiten.) https://maktrans.net/index.php?route=common/home
when ordering, mention in the order sheet the complete part number (Stucklistennummer) on the name tag on the side of the transmission, the serial number and the model.
There are different valve body plate gaskets
4HP22
1043 326 161 for M5 3,4
1043 326 162 for 518, 520, 528, 530, 533,535, 633, 635, 735 up to 1985
1043 326 232 for 535, 635 AEGS
1043 326 253 for 525, 528, 535, 635, 735 from 85

4HP24 1043 327 080 for E32 750, E31 850

5HP18
1056 327 100 Metall Bajonett Verschluss/ Metal bayonet lock, old Version, or 1056 327 110 Plastik Verschluss /Plastic lock/closure new Version

5HP19 1060 327 075 all

5HP24 1058 327 045 all

5HP30
1055 327 102 EGS old Version or 1055 327 093 EGS / AGS new Version
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Disconnect the mode selector switch then move the gear lever and advise what it says on the cluster e.g. EP,ER,EN,ED,E3,E2,E1
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Disconnected the SEM button, when ignition is on it shows SP,SR,SN,SD and so on, when the car is started the S disappears, the Getriebe text pops up and it shows nothing P, nothing R and so on in all positions, so it behaves the same with or without the switch. I tried replacing the mode selector with the sunroof switch, without any success.
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Econony mode is set by the TCM each time the ignition is turned on.
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Had another case today on an E32 750 Alpina B12, disappearing gear in cluster after engine started, limpmode, cleaned the gear shift switch, no change, then we pulled the valve body out to clean up and rebuild, pulled the speed sensor and measured, it was totally out of spec with 1053 Ohms, normal is 265 Ohms at 72° F. Installed rebuilt valve body and new speed sensor, problem solved.
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changed the speed sensor, sadly it didn't help. Both the old and the new sensor had the same resistance (around 315 Ohm at 22 degrees C, both were genuine ZF parts with the same part number). I guess I will try to rebuild the valve body. Due to problems with leaving the car undrivable on a public ramp which other people use to work on cars, I can't ship the valve body to a shop. From what I have read, I think I will be able to do it. Is there a valve body rebuild kit for purchase somewhere? I can't have the valve body disassembled while I wait for parts, the rebuild has to be done in one day.
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Also, I was going through RealOEM and noticed that my control unit has part number 1216224.9 and the code letter N, but the units with code letter N, albeit with a different part number, are listed for the 4HP22 transmission. I feel like the control unit may not be original, because it has some text written on it with a marker. Maybe I'm overthinking it, but there is a used transmission control unit with the exact same part number and code as mine for sale for a reasonable price, so I'm thinking about buying it to atleast maybe rule out one more thing that could be wrong. What do you think, is it worth a shot?
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your 11/87 has the older 4HP24 transmission with 8 pins on the trans plug. Seems to be fitting. Your 750 has a EGS = Elektronische Getriebe Steuerung = electronic trans control version up to around built year 12/1988. When I check my VIN from 11/88 750 il in the ETK it says
for vehicles without catalysator CODE: R Delivery discontinued by the factory, CODE N, Code AC Externer Link (&Ooml;ffnet in neuem Fenster, der Forumsbetreiber distanziert sich vom Inhalt extern verlinkter Seiten.) http://bmwfans.info/parts-catalog/E3...gs_programmed/
for vehicles with catalysator CODE: N Externer Link (&Ooml;ffnet in neuem Fenster, der Forumsbetreiber distanziert sich vom Inhalt extern verlinkter Seiten.) http://bmwfans.info/parts-catalog/E3...d_2/#1216225_1 In 2010 we had a discussion on this on the German forum for the 750 trans control and in post 2 I wrote that I removed from a parts car this: Bosch 0 260 002 009, BMW 1 216 224.9 Getriebesteuerung, removed from /ausgebaut aus 750iL 10/88 VIN 3055146 Vehicle code GC81, 01/05/1987-31/08/1990 4HP22 EH read and translate this thread, very informative what fits and what not on the older 750 Interner Link) https://www.7-forum.com/forum/showth...ght=Boxerheinz

Note, that we also had in our E32 working group defective transmission control units and we replaced them again other used ones and the fault was gone.
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one of the colleagues has an E32 750 from late 1988, still with the old 4HP24 with the 8 pins on the transmission connector. Today we fixed it.
Symptoms: Gearbox emergency program,
shift shocks from P to R as well as P to D gear.
Gear indicator disappeared immediately with engine running when shifting from P to D for example.
Switch cleaned and the "claws" examined at the switch under the gear lever, everything o.k.
Speed sensor he had already replaced weeks ago. Furthermore, the valve body overhauled, new ATF + filter, all that did not help. Since there was not much left over to check/change, we exchanged the transmission control unit against another used one, which I still had in stock + was o.k. for his 4HP24 version.

All problems solved, gear indicator works again, shift shocks gone. So this time it was the EGS which was defective. What is defective in detail, I can not say, he wants to replace some electronic parts, age-related wear, cold solder joints? Inside it looks similar like this old Motronic Externer Link (&Ooml;ffnet in neuem Fenster, der Forumsbetreiber distanziert sich vom Inhalt extern verlinkter Seiten.) http://www.e38.org/e28/louielouie/dme_fix.html
Transmission pinout Externer Link (&Ooml;ffnet in neuem Fenster, der Forumsbetreiber distanziert sich vom Inhalt extern verlinkter Seiten.) http://www.europeantransmission.com/...MWtechinfo.htm
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The transmission is finally functional again and behaves as it should, I bought the transmission control unit on Ebay and it resolved the problem, thanks so much for all the advice. I am over the moon. Both the old and the new control unit have BMW number 1 216 224.9 and BOSCH number 0 260 002 009, code N, the transmission Stücklisten-Nummer is 1043 030 019.
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Anwendungen alle ZF Getriebe mit ZF Stuecklistennummern, USA
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Schaltkasten Versionen , Schaltkasten Details
The Electronic Control system was first introduced in 1986 and was incorporated into the totaly hydraulic 4HP-22 unit produced by ZF. It combines the hydraulic control of forward and reverse gear engagement, with electronic control for automatic upshifts from 1st thru 4th and automatic downshifts from 4th thru 1st gears. Three different versions of valve bodies have been used on BMW vehicles, with minor differences between them


The 1st version, designated Early "E-7", has 5 solenoids on the valve body, was introduced in 1986 and used up thru 1989. This version includes a solenoid for reverse lockout.

The 2nd version, designated Late "E-7", has 5 solenoids on the valve body, was introduced in 1988 and used up thru Mid-1989. This version includes a solenoid for reverse lockout.

The 3rd version, designated "E-9", has 4 solenoids on the valve body, was introduced in Mid-1989 and used up thru 1994. This version uses a shift solenoid for the reverse lockout function.

Externer Link (&Ooml;ffnet in neuem Fenster, der Forumsbetreiber distanziert sich vom Inhalt extern verlinkter Seiten.) http://www.bmwe34.net/E34main/Troubl...ch%20Guide.pdf
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